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quote: flux wrote:
Ricky answered it about Piggies.
'Sweet Loretta Fat' is classic.
'Paul broke a glass' is cool too but it's from Anthology.
I'm looking for stuff spoken or hidden in actual tracks. The intros and outros are cool and will have to be in the list if we can't find enough. 'The Shoot Me' in Come Together, I am convinced, does not exist. I think it's 'Shoot' and always was, just like Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds didn't stand for L.S.D.
I always thought John was just saying "Shoot", or even just "Shhhhhoo" (or some variation thereof) on "Come Together". But when I started seeing so many claims that he was saying "Shoot me!", I figured somebody must've heard an isolated vocal track or something. Beats me.
I still meet people who want to argue that "Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds" = LSD. The biggest arguments tend to come from ex-hippies, who seem to think that having taken LSD in the '60s gives them the magical power to understand more about John's songs than John did.
When I told one guy John's consistently emphatic explanation of what inspired the song, the guy said, "Well, of course he's gonna say that!" I then asked him why John would admit all the things he had about drugs and music and such, but then deny it about that one song? He just shrugged and said, "Who knows? He was a complicated guy."
When I realized he was completely serious, I wanted to be as far away from him as possible, because I was afraid I might get a contact stoopid.
there is a Lennon song recorded during the Get Back sessions-called Watching Rainbows. One of the first boots I ever bought was an Lp of the same name. Anyway, Watching Rainbows evolved out of Mean Mr. Mustard....and I always thought in Rainbows that John did sing "Shoot me" several times....some think he is singing "Shoot Big"
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hey weedo.......don't you read any other topics???i went to jail.......
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7/29/2008, 9:48 pm
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I saw. You doing a Nick Nolte imitation for the photo op?
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7/29/2008, 9:55 pm
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have you ever read the carlos castanada series.....it's about a college students enlightenment thru the drugs used by the yaqui indians in mexico..they used jipsome weed,datura paste and ate peyote,the active ingredient in organic lsd....there are two frames of mind....the sub concientous and the consienous[sorry i roof not spell right now aren't you?]in the books they are called the tonal and nagual...the latter being the sub mind...you cannot control the sub so they don' know if it can influence the consience mind...so maybe johns sub influenced him which means it could be a fact jack.....
Uhhh,... Should you be using that kind of language, considering your recent encounter with the Citrus County authorities? (It's probably only a misdemeanor - but do you really want even one more straw on that camel's back??)
I've never read Carlos Castanada, but he is mentioned on an album I really dig (Cerulean Blue, by Rain). Surely that has to count for something. (Anything??)
I must confess to being leary (no Timothy Leary pun intended) of any tales of college students gaining enlightenment through chemicals, when they often have so much trouble gaining it through simple study. However, if (for the sake of discussion) we accept the premise mentioned above: Wouldn't John's sub-conscious mind most likely be a yellow sub-conscious mind?? And wouldn't he - more likely than not - play yellow sub-conscious mind games with anybody's altered consciousness he came into contact with, thereby calling any alleged enlightenment into question?? Perhaps even rendering it nothing more than - dare we say it - a #9 Dream???
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John lost himself in the drugs ( LSD and Heroin ). She who will not be named contributed to this slide and the eventual demise of The Beatles. John's contributions in the later Beatle years consisted of him bringing in a tune with some words or a title and then expect the Paul and George to arrange it. The simplistic lyrics of Don't Let Me Down and I Want You turned into great songs due to the talents of the others. Drugs may assist for a little while but destroy everything in time. John survived. If he took 1000 trips as he claimed, it must have been some weak acid. Brian Wilson, Syd Barret, Peter Green, Roky Erickson, Captain Beefheart, to name a few, never returned from their journies.
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7/30/2008, 1:30 pm
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John lost himself in the drugs ( LSD and Heroin ). She who will not be named contributed to this slide and the eventual demise of The Beatles. John's contributions in the later Beatle years consisted of him bringing in a tune with some words or a title and then expect the Paul and George to arrange it. The simplistic lyrics of Don't Let Me Down and I Want You turned into great songs due to the talents of the others. Drugs may assist for a little while but destroy everything in time. John survived. If he took 1000 trips as he claimed, it must have been some weak acid. Brian Wilson, Syd Barret, Peter Green, Roky Erickson, Captain Beefheart, to name a few, never returned from their journies.
A partial list of John Lennon songs written and recorded in the Heroin Years:
Revolution
Dear Prudence
The Continuing Story of Bungalow Bill
Happiness is a Warm Gun
I'm so Tired
Julia
Sexy Sadie
Goodnight
Hey Bulldog
Give Peace a Chance
Don't Let Me Down
The Ballad of John and Yoko
Come Together
I Want You
Because
Cold Turkey
Across the Universe
also during this period he wrote "Child of Nature" which later became "Jealous Guy". You can hear him playing a piano tune on "Fly on the Wall" which sounds like "Imagine", this was in January of '69.
To carry this into 1970, you get "Instant Karma" and the "Plastic Ono Band" album, which is anything but simplistic.
Yeah the guy was in a songwriting slump.
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I disagree with the heroin years and some of the songs listed but if we must debate I'll retort.
Happiness Is A Warm Gun was comprised of 3 different tunes John couldn't finish. George put that collage together.
Come Together was a direct lift from Chuck Berry's You Can't Catch Me. John just put his own gibberish in there. Paul's bass riff, his keyboards, Ringo's drumming and George's blues make the tune and I don't care what you say.
Don't Let Me Down was arranged by Paul and George. The descending bass lines and the tasty licks from George. John just sang it asking Ringo to crash the cymblas hard because he didn't like his voice.
Instant Karma...Phil Spector and a who's who of London greats. You could record a hit song with that cast.
I Want You was again George working his ass off multi tracking the riff and the white noise. Billy Preston was responsible for the jam feel because he worked with John in developing the arrangement. Did he get any credit ?
Because was a classical piece that John just played backwards. Boy, that's creative.
I'm bored already
This is taking too much of my precious time.
To be continued.
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Most of The White Album songs were written in India and John wasn't on heroin then.
Ballad of John and Yoko was all Paul McCartney. Like I said. In the later years, John would have a melody, a few words and depend on the others to make it a song. He didn't do shite. That's why George was ticked off at him during Let It Be.
'Everybody had a Wet Dream'
that was his great contribution to I've Got A Feeling. What else did he do ? Across The Universe was already recorded. Dig A Pony. Not one of his better songs. The best part of the song is the riffing and that's a Paul invention. On Abbey Road what did he do, besides get in a car wreck ? He refused to help George on any of his songs. That's why Something and Here Comes The Sun are so great. Paul and George worked on them.
Maggie Mae and Like A Rolling Stone ?
Thank you Paul for omitting them on The Naked release.
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Go Ed Go. Theres never enough John bashing around here if you ask me.
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the "Ballad of John and Yoko" was Paul?
how so? because he played the drums on it?
For Paul's ability as a drummer, I'll say two words "McCartney 2".
And I like the album, but Ringo he ain't.
You seem to be overlooking one thing in all this, and that's John's ability as a lyricist.
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